tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4315768639043874540.post7319893677814738653..comments2023-05-10T23:23:48.126-05:00Comments on Submission Tyranny, in Church and Society: Itching Ears, Part 13 (A Present Day Deception)www.wanetadawn.comhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10261516374583209123noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4315768639043874540.post-63807171675815515612011-04-28T14:28:57.309-05:002011-04-28T14:28:57.309-05:00Anonymous,
Yes, kaphale does not mean in the ancie...Anonymous,<br />Yes, kaphale does not mean in the ancient Greek what it means in English. In Greek writing, when they meant "authority over" they used a different word. (BTW: there are at least 1-2 other languages where "head" does not mean authority. That fact was what clued someone in to check out what "head" meant in Greek.) <br /><br />In January, shortly before she died, I spoke with Catherine Clark Kroeger, who told me about the book she was about to publish. (I hope publication will go forward). The book contained ancient Greek art that was not well-known because it was thought to be so weird. It turns out their art explains their thinking. For example: one of the pictures shows that they think sperm comes from a man's head, travels down his spine, and comes out the usual way. In other words, they did think life originated from a man's head. Tie that thinking in with "the husband is the head of his wife" and it is very easy to see that Paul was likely speaking of a type of provision, life-giving, sustanence. When a person tests this meaning on Ephesians 5:25-30, husbands love your wives and sacrifice for them as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her (my paraphrase) it fits. In fact, it fits far better than "husbands take authority over your wives." Not only does one have to strain scripture to try to make the latter fit, one also has to go totally opposite to Jesus's own teaching of not exercising authority or dominion over others like the gentiles do, but rather if one wants to be great or chief, they should instead be a servant. Note, He did not say a leader-servant, or an authority-leader-servant. He said servant. The context indicates He is talking about a ministry where one gives up their own lives for the sake of ministering to others. Think Mother Theresa.<br /><br />Christians have twisted ministering into being the leader, being a "public servant," meaning one who makes the rules--supposedly to serve the public, but we find out more often than not, the rules they make are intended to serve themselves. Jesus said "no so among you" and "do to others as you would have them do to you." He taught against authority seeking among His followers. The passage to husbands agrees with that, and so does Eph 5:21, where all of us are told to submit to one another. <br /><br />Rereading your question: actually, one of the reasons the husband is the source is that woman came from man at the creation. Man came from Christ, who spoke him into existence, the incarnate Christ came from God, (of which He was also a part). This of course refers to I Cor. 11. Notice that I Cor 11, lists the heads of in proper order. First, Christ spoke man into existence. Next, woman came from man. Later, Christ came to earth from God. If you interpret this passage as authority over, Paul, who is usually so meticulous about having his lists in the correct order, would have had this one out of order. He should have said "God is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of man, and man is the head of woman," if the authority interpretation is the correct one. As it is, if "head" means "source" the order in I Cor 11, is correct.Waneta Dawnhttp://www.wanetadawn.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4315768639043874540.post-12023048493057046692011-04-22T20:25:42.553-05:002011-04-22T20:25:42.553-05:00Is it true that the word head in Greek, "keph...Is it true that the word head in Greek, "kephale" actually means "source"? Like Christ is the source of life of the church, and the husband is the source because God created the man first? <br /><br />I know there is a lot of debate, but I see no one has responded to the "Responses to Christian Feminists" on the use of the word "kephale". Or is that not true?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4315768639043874540.post-63820918771034268172009-07-13T01:27:40.093-05:002009-07-13T01:27:40.093-05:00I need to clarify: I do believe the husband is the...I need to clarify: I do believe the husband is the head of his wife--the Bible states this. Where I disagree with the above pastor is in the MEANING of "head." From my study I gather that "head" is talking of a provider and servant role. Most of the leadership is through example. There are places where wives are told to ask their husbands at home, so providing information/teaching could also be part of the husband's role as "head" of his wife, particularly in the time of the apostles when wives generally had not had training in the scriptures. But nothing is said about the husband's right to enforce his teaching, particularly not when it is self-serving. <br /><br />I am playing with the idea that the husband's role as head may be experienced by the wife as a kind of "secure foundation" which would provide her with a sense of safety if her husband practices integrity, has godly character, cherishes her to the point of making decisions for her best interest more than for his own. This would make a marriage be similar to the church's relationship to Christ. Just as Christ is the stablizing factor to the church, so is the husband to his wife--also helping her to turn her eyes upon Jesus for that sense of security which only God can give.www.wanetadawn.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10261516374583209123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4315768639043874540.post-44304261251309848502009-07-13T01:05:58.068-05:002009-07-13T01:05:58.068-05:00I agree with you Waneta that there is often a repr...I agree with you Waneta that there is often a reprehensible gap between rhetoric and practice, and it takes time and wisdom to discern it.<br /><br />However, as you know we disagree about the Bible's teaching on headship: I think it does teach that the husband is head of the wife, meaning that he is responsible for leading her in a God-glorifying direction. I agree servant leadership should be the mark of the husband's relating to his wife, but I'm not agreeing that he should not be seen as head in the relationship. However, as you know, this is a big topic and probably not one to solve on a blog site!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00710652037943503274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4315768639043874540.post-82284000852202485752009-07-10T14:29:25.326-05:002009-07-10T14:29:25.326-05:00Very good point, Waneta.
Women in the church are ...Very good point, Waneta.<br /><br />Women in the church are tired of getting rolled over.<br />Some of them are leaving the church all together which is quite sad.<br />But others are seeking out God's true heart towards women and finding that God doesn't have the same attitude toward them as the men (like Pastor husband you mention above) who claim to represent God.<br /><br />My prayer for every woman who has ever been in church is that they will be able to find the True God Who loves with kindness and tenderness and without any sort of a controlling, domineering attitude.<br /><br />God help us all to find Him as He is and not as false teachers want to portray Him.Mara Reidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16385458933795539928noreply@blogger.com