tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4315768639043874540.post1791065929897200497..comments2023-05-10T23:23:48.126-05:00Comments on Submission Tyranny, in Church and Society: Keeping Women in Their Placewww.wanetadawn.comhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10261516374583209123noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4315768639043874540.post-65505677696806503682014-11-20T00:33:22.901-06:002014-11-20T00:33:22.901-06:00Shoemaker,
" Thankfully, after studying Ephes...Shoemaker,<br />" Thankfully, after studying Ephesians a bit more, I no longer agree with the mainstream church's interpretation."<br /> I praise God for your deliverance! I am so thankful we not only have bibles, we also have concordances and interlinear bibles to tell us what those Greek and Hebrew words were and what they meant. Katharine Bushnell was right: women need to study the word--including the original languages--for themselves. Do not trust the translators. If the bible said a male was to be a despot, (referring to I Tim 5:14) the translators would have said the male was to be an absolute ruler. But when the bible says a woman is to be a despot, the translator decides he cannot say a woman should be an absolute ruler. Therefore, he says she is to merely guide or manage, and the freedom, equality, authority, respect and value she has as a Christian woman is lost in the translation. <br /><br />How many people have never heard of Christ because of the church's treatment of women? How many women have become atheists because of the church's stance against women? Truly, Satan is the winner. <br /><br />I find other "rules" I had picked up because of complementarian teaching. 1). If a man is interested in you, you must say yes because a man must have what he wants. He cannot endure/handle being thwarted. My niece dated a man who thought she must submit to him (non-sexually) even though they were not married. So if he wanted a date, she was to say yes even if she had other plans that evening. I wasn't the only one who understood the teaching that way. (btw, she quit him.)<br /><br />2. Because of complementarian teaching about female submission, never tell a man he is in error; he cannot handle that, either. A man must always be right. He must be free to do whatever it is he chooses to do, and a woman must not question his judgment or choices. So if he is literally stepping on your toes, and you are in extreme pain, do not tell him and don't make a sound. Endure it, until he chooses to move off your foot. Same goes for if he beats you. Do not scream; the neighbors may hear, and that is NOT acceptable and will make YOU the guilty party. In fact, since he beat you that automatically makes you the guilty party, since a man can never be wrong. <br /><br />3). If a man is found to be wrong, it is the woman's fault. Secular men and Christian men agree on this point. <br /><br />4). In spite of all the assurances that women and men are equal, when they say women are equal in the eyes of God, they mean women are NOT equal to men in the eyes of men. Indeed, in the eyes of men, women are secondary or less. Men often consider women to be less valuable, less knowledgeable, less wise, and hold less authority than their 12 year old sons. <br /><br />Because of these rules, I walked on eggshells around my dad and also around my husband. But the words of Jesus and a better study of Ephesians not only frees women from such bondage, they also help us drink in how extremely valuable and loved we are to God. Waneta Dawnhttp://www.wanetadawn.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4315768639043874540.post-84900900084226220162014-11-14T22:43:01.938-06:002014-11-14T22:43:01.938-06:00It seems like a great plan from Satan to convince ...It seems like a great plan from Satan to convince the church to silence half its members...actually more than half the members. American churches wonder why they are diminishing in our culture and becoming less relevant. Yet it wastes effort and resources and pulpit time defining what women can and can't do. It doesn't bother to equip them for ministry. If there is a women's ministry, its role is mainly to work in the kitchen. Women must figure out how to equip themselves. Fortunately, the Holy Spirit helps us out! But the church has set itself back by not helping women become ministry leaders. <br /><br />I was fairly convinced until recently that I should avoid teaching men because that is what the mainstream church teaches. But what if I came across a man lying in the street dying after being hit by a car. Am I not to teach him about Christ in his final moments of life? My feeling was that I was under no obligation to him and could walk right by. I used to think that if I were teaching at a women's gathering and a man walked in the room for whatever reason, I should order him out. Thankfully, after studying Ephesians a bit more, I no longer agree with the mainstream church's interpretation. <br /><br />ShoemakerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com